FIDONEWS: Где эти "важные" русские?

Vladimir Fyodorov написал(а) к All в Mar 19 11:51:24 по местному времени:


> В эхе FIDONEWS обсуждается возможность объединения Фидо в одну зону. В
> ходе дискуссии было высказано предположение, что сисопы из России вряд ли
> согласятся на подобный переход, между тем как R50 для Фидо очень важен
> ("Имейте в виду, что BinkD, НPT и, вероятно, другие интересные вещи
> приходят оттуда. Они не глупы"). Dan Clough, между тем, удивляется,
> почему русские не пишут в те англоязычные эхи, которые он читает ("не
> видим никаких сообщений от этих важных русских. Я не думаю, что видел
> хотя бы один пост в ЛЮБОЙ эхе, за которой я слежу, от русского"). Из R50
> его сентенцию прокомментировал только Александр Корягин.

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* Area : FIDONEWS
* From : Dan Clough, 1:123/115 (18 Марта 2019 08:55)
* To : Nick Andre
* Subj : Re: Fidonet => one unizon
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-=> Nick Andre wrote to Dan Clough <=-

DC> I say Fido could/should go to ONLY Zone 1, and keep zones 2-6 out
DC> of circulation for historical/sentimental reasons. All other nets
DC> can be Zone 7+ (as they already are).

NA> It may be "technically correct" that only one Zone is needed in
NA> Fidonet given our numbers, but theres no way to convince people
NA> to change their address.

Well, that isn't really known to be true. Yet.

NA> Especially to Zone 1 which has a
NA> notorious history of zone-wars, power trips and general
NA> stupidity, bullshit and bad decisions. Couple this with the
NA> rediculous idea being tossed around of a completely unnecessary
NA> web-nodelist-management system and its just a recipe for
NA> disaster.

OK, so I take it you're like the Zone 2 folks who will resist all
change, regardless of merit?

NA> Many Sysops zone-wide just can't get over the past events which
NA> have permanently destroyed credibility and something called
NA> "trust".

Sounds like a personal problem for them.

NA> As I just wrote... Russia takes Fidonet a tad bit more seriously
NA> and if you glance at a recent nodelist, skip down to Region 50.
NA> Keep in mind that BinkD and НPT and likely other cool stuff comes
NA> from there. They are not stupid.

I don't believe anybody has said they were stupid. Yes, that is
an impressive Region, looks like a snippet from my previous stint
in Fido in the early 90's.

NA> There is not enough vodka in the world to convince them to move
NA> to Zone 1, so I guess all of them will be kept out of circulation
NA> for historical/sentimental reasons?

Well, using "Zone 1" for Fido isn't written in cement. It could
just as well be Zone 2. The real point is that multiple Zones are
not needed.

It's a little curious to me as to why we don't see ANY posts
from these important Russians. I don't think I've seen a single
post in ANY echo that I follow, from a Russian. I'm assuming they
have their own set of echos, but why wouldn't ANY of them
participate in a "Fido-wide" echo like this one? Serious
question...
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* Area : FIDONEWS
* From : alexander koryagin, 2:5020/2140.2 (18 Марта 2019 18:55)
* To : Dan Clough
* Subj : Re: Fidonet => one unizon
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Нi, Dan Clough!
I read your message from 18.03.2019 08:55

DC> It's a little curious to me as to why we don't seeANY posts
DC> from these important Russians. I don't think I've seen a single
DC> post in ANY echo that I follow, from a Russian. I'm assuming
DC> they have their own set of echos, but why wouldn't ANY of them
DC> participate in a "Fido-wide" echo like this one? Serious
DC> question...

No, no, Russians are omnipresent! Ask me something! ;-)

Bye, Dan!
Alexander Koryagin
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