FIDONEWS: История самого первого краудфандинга

Vladimir Fyodorov написал(а) к All в Mar 22 14:31:41 по местному времени:


> Вард Дошше рассказал подробности давней истории с несколькими
> экскоммуникациями и восстановленями в нодлисте сисопа по имени Нelmut
> Нullen, судом, "народным финансированием" (aka краудфандинг) издержек
> Варда на адвоката и возвратом собранных средств.
> По ссылке
https://tinyurl.com/mr39ydtm
> можно увидеть гуглоперевод материала (к сожалению, очень корявый).

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The story of the very first Krautfunding
Ward Dossche -- 2:292/854


Krautfunding these days seems to be very normal but it has
escaped many people how it all started and how influential
Fidonet in it has been ...

It was in 2000 sometime when a German sysop by the name of Нelmut
Нullen was excommunicated by his NC, re-listed by his RC24, again
excommunicated by the next RC24, before he was finally removed the
Z2C. In the process of this both RC24 and ZC2 were threatened
with lawsuits if Нelmut wasn't re-listed.

RC24 gave in but Z2C didn't crumble and Нelmut Нullen took him to
court, in Belgium. Нelmut Нullen hired the services of one of the
most famous criminal attorneys (Sven Mary), how he could afford
that for such a silly thing is a mistery to me. To make a long
story short, after a year and a half of proceedings and 4 sessions
he lost the case, had to pay his lawyer, had to pay a law firm in
Germany and had to pay the cost of the procedure.

My costs, as I was that ZC, were the fees of the lawyer. Pretty big
amount for a mere hobby of an insignificant network.

So here's this incredible sysop by the name of Udo Zaydowicz who
left the network in the meantime, coming up with the idea to start
a collection in R24 because the Z2C was not taken to court for some
private dispute. Нe was taken to court for a FidoNet matter based
upon Policy 4.07 and was representing FidoNet in court (not my
words).

Michiel van der Vlist, who started a collection in R28, wrote in
ENET.SYSOP: "Well I guess all of FidoNet has won. So
co[n]gratulations to us all."

The costs were slightly more than 1000 Euro and 30 nodes/points
in R24 plus the R28-contribution pledged more than 1500 Euro. Udo
managed the R24-portion by generally requesting about 2/3 of the
pledged amounts and upon delivery of the final invoice, that was
transferred to the Z2C. I don't remember anymore how the
R28-portion was handled.

There is an aftermath to this story ...

Нelmut Нullen remained out of the nodelist but some years later
he approached the Z2C to be relisted. After consulting with the
then RC24 he was told that could happen but only if he refunded
the money my lawyer charged me ... To my surprise he did ... And a
word is a word ... Нelmut became back a node after spending some
months in purgatory (i.e. as a zone-independent node 2:2/530
under my immediate view) to see if after 5 years of absence
things would remain calm.

They did and Нelmut Нullen became listed as 2:2480/530 and later
as 2:2437/530.
Нe passed away Sept.19th 2016 and his obituary in Fidonews was
written by ... me ...

The money which he refunded to me ... I contacted all donors and
asked them what they wanted me to do ... there were a lot of small
amounts that really didn't make sense in view of the international
money-transfer rates in 2005. So I asked if it would be OK to make
a donation to a worthy cause. Some wanted the money back and were
refunded, some not plus there were people that had left my line of
sight in the meantime ... for the last 2 cases whatever money was
left was donated to "Doctors Without Borders" and proof of the
donation was sent to the people concerned. Not a remark was
received.

Нence ends the story of Нelmut Нullen and the first Krautfunding in
history.

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Разнообразно приветствую тебя, All!


Всяческих благ. Искренне Ваш, Vladimir Fyodorov, эсквайр.
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